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. senior citizens will in fact take some hits. education will take big hits with the pell grants. to achieve the so-called cuts that they are talking about would mean that a lot of people are going to be severely, severely hurt. >> but we cannot sustain this level of debt forever. >> we cannot, but here is what is wrong -- we have to get control of the deficit, but we do not want to do anything on the revenue side. all of the change, all of the pain is coming from the cuts. you are still leaving those tax cuts to the wealthy untouched. still leaving the subsidies for the oil companies untouched. everything to the poor and middle-class folks -- you bear the brunt of it. >> mitt romney this week -- my view is we should have a president who is willing to cut, a cap, and balance the budget. then he wants to stay out of this. he is just interested in jobs. in the grand bargain, there were revenue increases. closing loopholes that no one wants to defend except for grover norquist, who is having an incredible amount of power in this debate. there is a counter intuitive thing here. you a
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